Monday, July 16, 2012

"Rick Warren: No Discernment, No Discretion"

  Flirting with the "New Age" and errant theology has become quite the staple of Saddleback Pastor Rick Warren's ministry on and off. We do pray for Rick and those who sit under his teachings not to be deceived by these things. Rick could be considered going in the "way of Dricoll" with his first tweet in our line up. Even though he over heard it in an airport, I have to ask why did he feel that every person who follows his Twitter needed to read this? This is extremely inappropriate, the Bible tells us not to do such things : 
"But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks." - Ephesians 5:3-4 (Color blue added for emphasis). The man who has received the title by the public "America's Pastor" shamefully tweets this on his Twitter.
  His 2nd tweet is a quote from Star Wars' "Yoda" and yes even if being silly he titles Yoda as a theologian. The implications of Star Wars and the goal of George Lucas behind Star Wars were very "New Age" in content and direction. I encourage the reader just to stick to the Bible if they are suffering with fear:
"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." - 2 Timothy 1:7

 The 3rd Tweet visits the Unitarian (denial of the trinity and deity of Jesus) Buckminister Fuller who is well known to the secular world as being a resourceful individual when it comes to our environment. The quote in it of itself might be harmless but with Warren's tie in's with Leonard Sweet and the New Age it does make one ask which kind of forces is he referring to. Also, why promote someone who denied the deity of Jesus?
Here's what Scripture says on denying Jesus as God :
" For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds." - 2 John 1:7-11

  Unfortunately these tweets will come as no surprise to the many who are all too familiar with Warren's antics. May we pray on for him and those seeing this.

- Michael-Anthony Rene Chavez


  1. Not a surprise.

  2. Context, people! A drop-in alien (me?) would wonder if you thought that only people of your own point of view were able to know anything at all. Of course, coarse jesting is discouraged - in the same Bible that describes various societies and systems as "whores." Is there evidence that could suggest that our "anything goes" society, where "everybody has a price" be characterised as a woman with round heels and/or an eye for a dollar?

    Are you saying that, since Warren uses a sci-fi character to point up that fear leads to obsession, depression, and defeat, that fear is OK, or that pop culture is beneath the Holy Notice of the "Faithful," and it is better to let the world go to Hell than speak to them in terms they can recognise?

    Or, maybe, that nothing in the created, physical, realm (in this case, the science of mechanical physics) has anything to do with the created, personal/spiritual realm, so that, again, only the right kind of Christian has anything valid to say to any questions of human existence? You do not realise how deeply taught you are by the very ideas you pretend to be free from.

    1. Patrick thank you for your comments.
      It is apparent to me that you have a simple misunderstanding of the Bible. You yourself even stated, "Context, people!" and I agree. We must read the Bible as a whole in order to grasp the full meaning of what it is saying. Michael and I spend a lot of time reading and studying it for this reason. I'm not sure how well versed you are as far as the Bible goes so I encourage you to study these things and look them up for yourself. Since I am not a fan of online comment debates, I encourage you to e-mail me if you honestly want answers to your questions.