Thursday, October 4, 2012

Oprah, Osteen, and Warren: A Lifeclass of Error




I never thought I'd see the day when these three would be together in the same room, and now that that day has come, I am not really surprised. Oprah, known for her TV show - now radio and other countless media outlets - has been a prime influence in spreading the New Age “gospel” to the masses of women across America. But in fact, she is a wolf and has the spirit of antichrist. She denies Jesus being the only way as you can see in this clip here:

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So why would someone who is obviously not a Christian bring in “Christians” to speak on her show? What will they talk about? Will they be preaching our Lord and Savior crucified for our our sins? Many will probably say things like “Well perhaps Joel and Rick are trying to reach out to Oprah and bring her to Christ, you can't judge their motives.”

 Ok, you are right I can't judge their motives, but I can certainly judge Oprah's program schedule:

10 a.m. CT: Joel Osteen on positive thinking and dreaming big

4 p.m. CT: Rick Warren on winning the hand you're dealt and The Purpose Driven Life


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember “positive thinking”, “dreaming big”, and “winning the hand you're dealt” being concepts that are found in the Bible. I don't see the words “Gospel” or “Christ” in any of those titles. Even if I did, I would be suspicious especially with Oprah's New Age background since the word “Christ” in New Age terminology has different connotations (ever heard of the “Cosmic Christ” who is in all of us?).

Sadly, many people will be deceived. Not only are Oprah's regular viewers going to tune into this class, but many unsuspecting immature believers that have been duped by Joel and Rick's teachings will now be exposed and influenced by the lies that Oprah propagates. Look at the official Oprah Facebook page where the Lifeclass was announced and read the following comment, with my response below it:


This isn't the greatest response, so I will expand it here. Sadly comments like these are made by people who are deceived. The Bible doesn't tell us to learn from everyone, but rather to test all things against God's Word and watch out for error. (Thessalonians 5:21) I think 1 Timothy 4:1-5 sums up this Lifeclass:

"I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."

This is people taking what their own itching ears want to hear; this is the reason that men like Joel Osteen and Rick Warren are being invited by Oprah to speak. I can even compare this to 1 John 4:5 where John says:

"They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them."

In contrast John continues in verse 6:

"We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

These subjects that Osteen and Warren are going to be speaking on are topics that the world likes to hear. There's no difference from what they say and Oprah, or any of the guests on her show say. You can't tell the difference and the world can't either. To make my point I want to end with a very sad comment made by another user on Facebook on the same page I had showed above:

Very sad. This woman is being deceived, and apparently she can't tell the difference between all the New Age deception she is reading and the teachings of “Christian” pastors like Joel Osteen and Rick Warren.  Let us pray that Joel and Rick will repent of their false doctrine and that the people under them may see the Truth of the Gospel of Christ, which truly frees us from our sin.

-Sergio

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4 comments:

  1. Sergio, if I may, if someone were coming to this article with little or no prior understanding on the subject it wouldn't actually explain very much.

    It's more of a 'I've told you before and now here it is' sort of piece rather than explaining what the problems are.

    The central argument - that 'Dreaming Big' and 'Winning the hand you're dealt' aren't in the Bible doesn't actually say very much. For a start I've heard countless sermon titles that don't have the name of Christ in them. You're having to postulate (perhaps accurately, but perhaps not) on what their messages will be. Generally it's better to talk about what's certain rather than what's not. Additionally, one could argue that the concepts those titles suggest can be found in Scripture. 'Dreaming Big' might well be compared with William Carey's famous quote, ''Expect great things from God, attempt great things for God.'' Dreaming Big, and faith might well be tied together. Similarly, winning the hand you're dealt might have to do with not always looking for the 'greener grass' but instead ''giving thanks in all circumstances'' and trusting that God can glorify Himself, and you can glorify Him, through suffering, not just with what one might think is a 'winning hand'. Both are very Scriptural concepts.

    Admittedly, it's quite possible for people to take what they want from, and hear what they want in, any message preached. Stronger still is that possibility when a message is given vaguely and without reference to Christ. One will have to wait for their messages to see how they direct them. Even then, as you have said, as far as Oprah is concerned, if they speak of Christ, and deliver a solid message, she (and others), might well take that message as they please.

    I feel the charge to want to encourage all ministers to preach the word boldly and to leave as little wiggle room as possible. Nevertheless I also understand and have experienced that no matter how little room you leave, some people will always find space to twist things. Ultimately all preachers are simply sowers of the word, they cannot control how the seed is received nor how it will grow. The can only plough, sow, and water...

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  2. It may be that Warren and Osteen are simply taking advantage of a massive audience to preach a gospel message. I don't know that that's necessarily wrong.

    Perhaps the biggest concern might be their association with Oprah. I would imagine their rationale on this is that though they do not endorse the teachings of Oprah nor the other with whom she associates, they are like preachers getting a chance to speak at a bar's open mic night. The rest of the speakers, and the bar itself, might speak with a very wrong agenda, yet for the time they are on stage they get to deliver the gospel of Christ to those who may not otherwise hear it. Again, a possibly defensible approach.

    All of this is to say that I appreciate your heart to ensure the highest and holiest standard of doctrinal purity. That we should be those who preach only the true gospel with nothing added nor taken away. I simply wanted to share that in the long run, and in my experience, it is better to speak slowly and patiently on things of which we are certain, than to guess, postulate or get caught up in speculation. You write well. My humble suggestion is to always consider exactly what it is that you want to say, and why, and then ask if what you were going to say actually says it. If not, then leave it. The time to speak will come soon enough, and with the evidence and reality abundantly clear.

    I, myself, have many time spoken or written too hastily and been proven premature or shallow in my thinking. It is an effort to maintain patience and prudence and let the rush of 'events' or 'news' pass by without comment. Yet so many times it's been proven to me to be the best path.

    For me, this piece doesn't really say very much. What is it you want to say, and does this piece about headlining speakers and titles say it?

    As for the speakers, I don't know both of them very well, I know Rick Warren's stuff a little better. Just be careful not to let what you think is righteous judgment turn out to be misunderstanding. Few people, if any, are perfect communicators. Let people speak, consider their message, consider too their audience, and give it time. As Jesus said, the evidence will be in their fruit. If it's wrong, it's wrong. Often times though, I hear much criticism of things I think are just misunderstandings or different perspectives. It's quite a skill and discipline to learn to really listen to people. It's one of the most valuable skills to learn though, because being truly heard, to have someone truly listen, and understand, is one of the greatest desires and needs people have.

    Blessings.

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    1. GKoh, thank you for your comments.

      Rick and Joel have a track record. They have been teaching for years, they are not new to the scene. With this in mind I am pretty confident that my predictions will stand. In fact, I heard Joel Osteen's segment with Oprah and I was correct. No Gospel, just New Age motivational speaking garbage. He and Oprah agreed with each other on everything. Joel never reached out to correct Oprah of her errors. There was no difference between what Oprah said and Joel said. We'll have to see what Rick will say. If I am wrong, I'll publicly apologize.

      We have articles and links to blogs and pages that talk about the errors in Rick and Joel's teachings. I'm not going to list everything that Rick and Joel have said in this article, I was trying to report more on their association with Oprah. These sort of endeavors are not new with both of these men. I have never heard Joel preach the Gospel and Rick Warren will only preach it when convenient. Thus is the history of these men; their past actions have showed this.

      You said yourself you were not familiar with the teachings of both of these men. Before correcting me I think you should first check your facts to make sure whatever you say will not be in error. There were a lot of questions and postulations in your reply, but little facts. If you want some facts from me, make sure to check out the other articles Michael and I have written, and also the blog roll on the left side of our page. Be a Berean, do you research and make sure the the things we are writing about are true and that they match up to God's Word.

      I pray that Joel and Rick will repent and that they will teach the right Gospel. I also pray that you will see the truth about these men.
      In Christ,
      Sergio

      P.S. I plan to have a podcast out on this event. Maybe it will help you more in your quest for truth.

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  3. Thanks Sergio.

    My point about this article was not about the truth of the position of Joel or Rick but rather the worth of the post itself.

    It was just a suggestion that writing about things of which oane is not certain is far less valuable and prudent as a practise than writing about things which ones already stand firm.

    If this post is to stand as a warning about the potential error of the teachings, then the question is, does it say that?

    The assertions made about the subjects being taught based purely on titles seemed inaccurate. That is, you said a whole lot based upon little.
    I'm just suggesting that the most appropriate way to treat these men, even if they have erred in the past, is not to condemn them based upon things they have not yet said, but rather to warn and be watchful. Consider what is, not what is not.

    That, for my understanding, is the Berean way.

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