Before I begin commenting on the subject on this post, let me share some Scripture:
The Apostle Peter talking about False Teachers:
“For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.” (2 Peter 2:18-19)
The Apostle John also talking about False Teachers:
“They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.”
(1 John 4:5-6)
False teachers are characterized by certain attributes. First, they attract people through the lusts of the flesh. It can be money, fame, or sex. Think of anything the flesh wants; false teachers use these things to lure people. Secondly, because they use the means of the world, the world hears them. As you read this article, I want you to keep these Scriptures in mind. It is not my word or presentation of the facts that stands, it is God’s Word compared to the facts that ultimately will judge. It will split the very marrow between the bones as it divides truth from error. We don’t split hairs here; only bone and marrow.
(Full article after the jump)
Mark Driscoll and Loveline: Friend of the World, Enemy of God?
(Disclaimer, because of the nature of this post, the following quotes may contain sexually explicit language. We here at SAID Radio do not approve of these quotes as Scripture does not condone such speech coming from one’s mouth, especially a pastor’s. But in order to provide you with evidence, we sadly have to present these things. )
Let me ask you something: What things do you take pride in? If I was to ask you a list of your accomplishments, what would you write? I bet if I was to take a look at that list that it would tell a lot about you. As I was looking through Mark Driscoll’s list of accomplishments on his official Mark.tv website I came across this:
It’s no secret that sex is a favorite topic of Mark Driscoll (click here for more on that) and it almost came as a shock to me that he was a guest on Loveline with Dr.Drew. Not only was it a shock that Mark was on the show (despite his sex-talk I thought he was beyond that) it was a shock that he not only went on the show, but that he also sets it up as a trophy on the virtual wall of his website.
Many of you are probably wondering why I am so surprised. Unless you understand what exactly Loveline is, it would be something easy to brush off. Many are familiar with The View and Nightline but as Paul said of spiritual gifts, I say of this show: I do not want you to be ignorant concerning Loveline. A brief history: Loveline was started by Dr.Drew Lapinski back in 1983. Over the years, media outlets and co-hosts have changed, but the format has remained the same. Loveline even had a short stint on MTV and has enjoyed a far reaching influence. According to wikipedia:
"Currently, Loveline is broadcast live, Sundays through Thursdays at 10pm–12am PT(Mondays through Fridays at 1am–3am ET). Syndication is usually on rock, alternative, and adult talk radio stations. Loveline can also be heard online anywhere in the world, by streaming through the websites of affiliate stations."
So what exactly is discussed on Loveline? The best description I could find came directly from their official website:
“Loveline follows the call-in question-and-answer model with the primary goal of helping youth and young adults with relationship, sexuality, and drug addiction problems. As a practicing internist and addictionologist with training in psychology, Dr. Drew's answers have medical credibility, but the addition of Adam Carolla's humor and insight resulted in a program with entertainment value as well. Carolla repeatedly stated his role on the show as something of a trojan horse: He lured listeners with dirty jokes and wisecracks in hopes they'd learn something that could improve their lives. Actors or members of popular bands often participate as guests.”
While I would not be against a show advising one on medical issues; I am against a show that uses the “trojan horse” of previous co-host Adam Corolla’s (Dr.Drew’s current sidekick is “Psycho Mike” Catherwood) dirty jokes to make light of issues one may have. The issues discussed on this show and the jokes and remarks made by the co-hosts are disgusting. While it is sad that Dr.Drew and Psycho Mike do these things; this is the world and I do not expect better from them. (Please pray for them as they need to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They are sinners in need of repentance just like us.) What is even sadder is the fact that I can quote a pastor who uses similar tactics as a worldly show:
I assumed the students and singles were all pretty horny, so I went out on a limb and preached through the Song of Songs. ….Each week I extolled the virtues of marriage, foreplay, oral sex, sacred stripping, and sex outdoors, just as the book teaches…This helped us a lot because apparently a pastor using words like ‘penis’ and ‘oral sex’ is unusual, and before you could say “aluminum pole in the bedroom,” attendance began to climb steadily to more than two hundred people a week.”
(Confessions of a Reformission Rev: Hard Lessons from an Emerging Missional Church(2006) (pp94, 96)) (Thanks to driscollcontroversy.com for the source)
Just as Dr.Drew and current co-host Psycho Mike use dirty jokes to get people to tune into their show, Mark uses coarse jesting and sexual innuendo to get people to come to Mars Hill Church.
Already without ever listening to this radio program we know that this is something that a Christian should stay away from. We know that whenever the world needs sex advice, the church is the last place they’ll look. But yet, a man with the title of “Pastor” receives an invite to become a guest. Why exactly is this? Why was Mark Driscoll invited to be on this show? Let’s hear it from Dr.Drew:
“Simply put, Mark is famous for being outspoken and his fans follow and re-tweet nearly every quotes.”(sic)
Following this is a handful of quotes from the episode which I will not post here. I will however, link to this article here.
Following the filthy quotes Dr.Drew ends with:
“Mark’s got some very funny and interesting things to say. Follow him on Twitter.”
Was Mark Driscoll invited because he was a great Bible expositor? No! Was Mark Driscoll invited because he is well known for preaching the Gospel and evangelizing? No! Dr.Drew is not interested in those things or in spiritual insight from the Scriptures. Mark Driscoll was simply invited because he is a funny, witty guy! Of course we don’t expect the world to want to hear about the Gospel, they are blind to it and the Cross of Christ is an offensive thing. So then if this is the case, what exactly was Mark Driscoll doing on Loveline as a pastor? Let me make this clear, he wasn't invited as a secular professional with insight into these matters, he was invited as a “pastor” and even throughout the episode Dr.Drew refers to him so.
I took the liberty to listen to the whole episode, which I will make available at the bottom of this page. Please be warned, there is explicit content throughout. Even Mark Driscoll himself rated it “MH-17” (a take on the NC-17” movie rating) when he announced it:
I want to make it clear that I do not condone or recommend that anyone listen to it, but I wanted to make sure I could get my facts straight and I also want others to have access to the evidence if need be. For those of you who do listen, I pray God will guard your heart and mind. I prayed and also had Michael and my pastor pray before I listened. It may seem silly to some, but we fight a spiritual war.
My review on the episode itself will be brief as enough has been said. From what I understand during this time Loveline was searching for a new co-host and so thus; Mark Driscoll was a guest. There is a third person (I am not sure who it is) that sits in the backseat and cracks some jokes from time to time. But most of the dialogue comes from Mark himself filling the shoes of the missing co-host. Throughout the show, Mark Driscoll shoots some witty one-liners to spice things up, the choicest ones quoted by Dr.Drew above. All in all, Dr.Drew and Mark Driscoll agreed on a lot of things, and the Gospel never got shared. There was some talk about spirituality and some spiritual advice but Dr.Drew looked down on it. Never did Mark Driscoll make a mention of repentance of sins and how a crucified and risen Savior is the hope man has for all his problems, physical, emotional or spiritual. A lot of hurting people call in to this show and listen to it. In a place of darkness Mark Driscoll had the chance to be a light but failed to do so.
Here is a video of Mark being interviewed after the show:
Once again, nothing about Christ or the Gospel. All we get is that Mark had fun and that he and Dr.Drew agreed on a lot of things. As Mark put it: “This isn't any different than the average pastor’s counseling load.The questions(...) you get them all the time.”
Should the questions and answers Mark gives be different? I would hope Mark gives his counselees what they need: Jesus Christ our risen Lord and Savior.They don’t need psychological advice, the world does that pretty well; Dr.Drew seems to be a man who knows what he is talking about. But we are not called to do what the world does. We are not called to act like the world, or to be liked by the world. When the world approves of you beware: you may be of it. Our prayer is that Mark would be less like the world and be more like Jesus Christ. Mark needs to be careful when dealing with the world for James tells us:
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
A scary verse indeed. If Mark wants friendship with the world, then the wrath of God is what he will get. Please pray that Mark Driscoll would repent, as I do not wish to see anyone under that. As James also tells us, teachers will be held more accountable for what they preach and what they do.
About Mark Driscoll:
Mark Driscoll’s Disturbing Rap Sheet:
Discoll Controversy: Licenteousness
Dr.Drew: Loveline Needs a Pastor? Enter Mark Driscoll.
Mark Driscoll Announces his appearance on Loveline:
Loveline w/Mark Driscoll: (post show interview)
Mark Driscoll on Loveline (Full Episode):
Click here and scroll down to "6" for the .mp3 link